There are two 'THE ANSWER's in the Ring poem. Do they both refer to the same thing?

C'mon Mr Dolos, give uz a hint. You know, like that 'Hint #D0105' one where it was labeled as a hint for thick-heads like me. I need logic, damnit!, like Kiss=X, Forget=4, Why=Y, You=U, "drink from the river of Lethe"=forget, which equals 4 etc. We have to correctly interpret the ring. There are too many variables in interpretation; the equations turn to chaos and send us back to the beginning, over and over. (T)YCHE (H)ADES (E)RIS (E)ROS (N)IKE (D)OLOS It's not surprising that the end letters spell out ESSSES, like a Dolos snake! So, at this time of spirits, ghouls, goblins, ghosts and earthly fools, Trick us not with stone in bag, Stray away from persona of ugly hag. Rise from your tholos with a fistful of dollars and write it on a stone. An answer, you meanie, it's time to come cleany, dolosians want a bone.

Look at the end and then forget why; the answer is yenned. Look at the end: L, H, W. and then 4 (shift up by 4): = P, L, A. get 'Y' = PLAY Play is yenned.

Cheat Sheet: (the previous attempts were unreadable after Wix resized them) Edited: discord, not miscord. Tsk, tsk.

You have given us numbers from 0 to 30. Are they half of a clock face? Take your time in answering. We bide our time. Tik, tok, tik, tok.

Dolos has said that looking at the cipher (not simply reading the text) will help. It ought to help us realise what we're looking at but doesn't appear to. Why? Methinks he's been his tricky self from the off. Consider the number of 'reflection' images that Dolos has posted. There was a cloaked figure, drinking from Lethe, reflected in the water. Was it The Keys mini puzzle that had a key hanging over water, reflected? The Keys puzzle definitely had Dolos in a room full of water, the paper he was holding being reflected. A rainbow is a reflection/refraction of light. "Everyone sees the cipher. They just don't see the end of it." (consider that a paraphrase. I'm going by memory.) Are all of those hints to the shape of the puzzle we're looking at being a mere reflection of the main image? There's the vid with a shadow of an aeroplane, an image that isn't the true plane. Dolos is known for creating a copy of the veritas statue, a fake. If you look at the rhs of the bottom key you see words in various orientations. Possibly a hint, or something more direct? TRES appears on its side, which would give something resembling a 'W'. Upside-down Siete would give an 'L'. Earlier today I messaged Dolos with a thought of the last line of the Ring Poem, suggesting that it could be interpreted as I'll make you see the correct image, or leave you trying to figure out a mere reflection. No reply yet. I don't really expect one. Any thoughts, alternatives, observations appreciated.

Mr Dolos, from your tholos, reckoning is due. We seek 'the end' and don't pretend it's color red, white, blue. Two years have past for those that last and added up to nought. Why can't you give a proper hint, labelled, like humans do?

I'm making no progress so I'll sing you a song by the Greek group called The Scarabs. It's called 'Oneiros'... quite catchy. 🎶 When I wake up early in the morning Lift my head, I'm still yawning When I'm in the middle of a dream Stay in bed, float up Lethe (float up Lethe) Please, don't wake me No, don't shake me Leave me where I am I'm only sleeping Everybody seems to think I'm lazy I don't mind, I think they're crazy Steppin' everywhere at such a speed 'Til they find there's no need (there's no need) Please, don't spoil my day I'm miles away And after all I'm only sleeping Keepin' an iris on the world going by my puzzle Takin' my time (ding!) Lyin' there I view the starry ceiling Waiting for a sleepy feeling Please, don't spoil my day I'm miles away And after all I'm only sleeping Keepin' an eye on the forum going by I see the lost souls Takin' my time When I wake up early in the morning Lift my head, I'm still yawning When I'm in the middle of a dream Stay in bed, float along the Lethe stream (float that stream) Please, don't wake me No, don't shake me Leave me where I am I'm only sleeping. 🎶

Kids hold the key. I just went through a reverse engineering approach to solving this puzzle, bringing many hints, Dolos words, into play. The one that stopped me was the kids gifs, and the overthinking comment from way back. Cartoons that were once on the site. A kid would look in the last hiding place first. "This isn't complex" No, still no further forward but am trying to place myself in the land of kids. It's been so long. "Do you feel young again?"

Sol: The Latin word for Sun is “sol,” which is the main adjective for all things Sun-related: solar. Helios, the Sun god in ancient Greek mythology, lends his name to many Sun-related terms as well, such as heliosphere and helioseismology (interjection: and the last three letters of Dolos, ya trickster!, quite Odd.) The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System. It is a nearly perfect ball of hot plasma, heated to incandescence by nuclear fusion reactions in its core, radiating the energy mainly as light, ultraviolet, and infrared radiation. It is the most important source of energy for life on Earth. Wikipedia Oh no! we're all gonna die!

I'm quite convinced that this Dolos puzzle was conceived and implemented while Mr D was attempting to solve the FF puzzle and having his own interpretations of it in mind. The correct solution to FF's puzzle doesn't matter, just interpretation that may be too abstract to help. Worth a try anyway. Dolos has said that he likes to think of rainbows as 'where warm waters halt'. That appears to me to be a starting point. "Begin it where warm waters halt". Frequency of rainbows is obvious on the site and posts, even though they aren't obvious in either the cipher or stanza poem, maybe. So, what in the cipher seems to relate to a rainbow? I only see 'Iris', goddess of rainbows. The main theme is Greek. Why? Are colours important? Is focusing important? (Fennster interjection: "...in tight focus with a word that is key"). 'Iris' sure seems to hold the key. There are, and always have been, star images on the site. When we look to the stars we see varying spectrums of light. There was once a blurred and abstracted image of plant life with colours separated. Does spectroscopy play a part? It's a fundamental tool for stargazing. Ramblings, yes, I know. It might elicit thoughts that help. Ya never know.

@DOLOS Are the red letters 'DOLOS' a part of the cipher? If you do not wish to answer that, then are they a part of 'The Kiss'? And if you do not wish to answer that, then you're a stinker!

More like a retrial. Dolos has said that if he were to simply search the cipher text that he would find it, maybe more than once. That suggests that we are not meant to find the end in that fashion. We need to know what it is first before sending out a search party. I've been considering those rainbow references with respect to The End. One thought was that the outermost (end) of a rainbow is 'Red'. With that in mind I tried using letter counts of ROYGBIV to interpret the first ring sentence. Look at the end (red) and then 4 (green) get Y (Yellow). Red and green light combined gives yellow. Still, I'm not convinced of that 'End'. Another of Dolos' hints popped into my head. He said that everyone sees the cipher. They just don't see the end of it. What if we take that literally. The End cannot be seen. It's outside of the visual spectrum, such as UV light, X-rays, alpha beta gamma radiation. Hmm, or what if it's sound waves, and the cipher is a three necked banjo? Maybe not, but I'm thinking more and more that the end cannot be seen.

Ok, seeing as no one has any idea about the puzzle, nothing that leads to anywhere, what about sharing a few thoughts, hmm?, even if they do lead to nowhere. I have bunches of those. For example, multiple references to body parts, heads and whotnot. Come on, say. This puzzle has been far too long in the solving. I can share many thoughts on the mechanism. We need a little help, and it isn't forthcoming. So, what'ya say?

@Dolos Do I count: 1. Words 2. Letters 3. None of the above

If you look at the cipher page, you will no doubt run into what appears to be a stone head. Not just an ordinary, everyday stone head, like on a statue, but one that has tar dripping from its eyes into a pool of stars. It also has rainbows in its eyes. Hmm, for fensters in particular, you must see "tarry scant with marvel gaze". Ok, a scant is sawn on both sides but give a little wiggle-room. That headstone, I mean head of stone, has to be a hint. Interpretations gleefully accepted.

Just a few thoughts on the puzzle: The site hints appear to tell us to look up into the sky. We have stars, the rotating earth, day and night. Constellations, asterisms, the zodiac? Zodiac symbols go from 0 to 30°. Hmm. There are also references to decapitated people; Medusa, then the king poem. Is the king leading us to Medusa? Stone reference? Dolos in his tholos and receiving email that way make one wonder...headstone etc. What about the mechanism of the cipher? I don't see any hints there. Just thoughts. Edit: Re mechanism. Except for rotation.

Mr Dolos, sir, us mere humans look at your ring cipher and start reading from the right of the gap in the circle of text, beginning with 'LOOK'. Is that the correct approach? (since you won't give us the KISS, ya trickster!) Oh!, I almost forgot. Are those Spanish numbers anything to do with a clock face? I know you like your clocks, ticking away.

Mr Dolos likes his symbolism. It appears that we are all interpreting, at least, some of it incorrectly. So, what do we have in the form of symbols, gifs, pics etc.? There are a slew from older posts. Here's one, Leonardo Decaprio. Hmm, LEO. Hmm 🤔