I recently came across something that has me thinking of this differently. If you know of the cognitive test where you are asked to say the name of the colour you see, but then they write the word of one colour filled with a different colour. For example, the word BLUE written in red. Children perform much much better on this test because...they don't read first, they see the colour first! If the child can't yet read but knows their colours, they will likely win by a landslide even against the smartest adult in the world. You can't instantly un-learn this either. You'd have to reprogram over time to see it differently. A child that can't read is OBLIVIOUS to the words, while we can't not see them first. OBLIVION is the literal definition of LETHE We have to see past our lifelong learning. He's re-iterated this over and over, but I doubt he's ever written that specific word on this site. Now... WHAT ARE WE REALLY LOOKING AT???

In my opinion, solving the cipher ultimately comes down to one thing: correctly applying the instructions provided by The Ring, which is to say we need to solve the riddles it contains. To that end, here is my latest attempt to break down that first sentence. Locate (or observe) the object and then black out the subject; this solution (or result) is what is desired intensely.

I haven't heard from Dolos in ages, have you? Solve this before I am dead. And the prize will be given to thee. 😱

The Ring has a chiatic structure. Here is how I'm seeing it: A I'll get through your myelin sheath or make you drink from the river of Lethe B look at the end and then forget why C the answer is yenned D many will fail D' and then retry C' once you have the answer B' look on to the next A' follow my instructions this isn't complex (NOTE: because A and D are both paired, the order could be reversed, but it makes more sense to me this way) D and D' Retrying in relation to failing C and C' Answers to be had B and B' Where to look A and A' Success and failure, or understanding and resetting Chiatic structure is strongly related to all of the following, which all relate to the cipher, in my opinion: - X (Chi) marks the spot - This structure is also referred to as "Ring" structure - It begins at the end (I'll get through...) - Symmetry - Duality - Greek origins - 2 of the most notable examples are Iliad and Odyssey - This structure is known to serve as a mnemonic device (i.e. it helps to remember the stories)

In The Keys mini hunt, Dolos used a Hungarian word as the final answer to the puzzle. As far as I can tell, there is no indication that any language other than English was to be used...we had 5 letters to unscramble, and for no apparent reason that solution was a Hungarian word. When I questioned Dolos about the use of Hungarian, his response was essentially that he doesn't feel like it should matter if part of the puzzle is in another language. In a forum thread, Dolos was questioned on the use of Spanish, and he confirmed that Spanish plays a role, but as long as we know the numbers we should be alright. However, that doesn't rule out other languages, which as far as I can see he hasn't addressed anywhere on the site. So, my question is whether anyone thinks that might be the case for The Cipher...is it possible we need a language other than English and Spanish (and possibly Greek)?

On the keys, we see a mashup of English, Greek, and Spanish (or perhaps the correct way to see it is English, Spanish, and numbers). Perhaps the Ring was written similarly? Look at the end and then many will fail. Follow my instructions this isn't complex. Forget why and then retry. I'll get through your myelin sheath. The answer is yenned. Once you have the answer look on to the next or make you drink from the river of Lethe. Look at the end and then forget why; the answer is yenned. Many will fail and then retry, once you have the answer look on to the next. Follow my instructions this isn't complex, I'll get through your myelin sheath or make you drink from the river of Lethe.

If K.I.S.S. principle was used to create this puzzle, and generally speaking every version/example of K.I.S.S. resolves to a process that requires the fewest assumptions in order to understand. Think of handing something to someone. If I had it, and now you have it, someone could assume that I handed it directly to you, and someone else might assume I made a paper plane out of it, flew it onto a boat, had a well trained dog retrieve it and bring it to the post office, bark out the address to the postal employee, who mailed it to Elon Musk, who put it in a rocket and sent it to low orbit, and then when the rocket landed a wind gust brought it right to you. One of those uses a few more assumptions, violating K.I.S.S. Let's list the possible ends, and what assumptions are needed for each to be the end. I'll go first...

Dolos became a master of trickery when he created a forgery of the statue of Aletheia. Where Lethe is concealment or forgetfulness, some form of lost information, Aletheia is it's opposite, literally meaning a state of un-conceal-ment or no longer being lost. It means truth. Does this play a role in the cipher? That Dolos (our Dolos) attained his master trickster status by producing a replica of Aletheia, and it's strong link to Lethe?

Unsure if this is important, but 2 facts about Lethe I didn't see posted before (apologies if this is a repeat). The Lethe river was yellow in Greek mythology. Lethe is Greek for forgetfulness but also concealment. Truth is "a-lethe-ia", or "un-conceal-ment".

The beginning: Veinte is 20. Standalone. Whether I read left to right or right to left, when I get to Veinte, I see and say 20. Veinti, on the other hand, only has meaning when combined with a single digit number. If I read left to right, I can see Veintiuno. If I read right to left, I get something meaningless. To me, this is a strong signal that Veinti is the beginning. The end: If Veinti is the beginning, then the end is City. Interpretation of the first sentence: That last word ends in Y, so far so good. Now, if I'm looking at the end, I now need to forget why. Forget implies some things: losing information, and that information is something that came before the act of forgetting. I can't forget what I haven't yet encountered. So, I want to back up, forget why, and count my steps as this is a numbers game. Y being the last letter of the end word, gives me the step count of 25. I'll use the Spanish to count my steps. Assuming the end of the middle key is immediately before the beginning of the last key, then I will back onto the end of the middle key as I count my steps. citY 0 mya health lodge 22 (sum 22) red 2 (sum 24) persephone 1 (sum 25) Ok, we reached 25, so the next thing is where we land. boX X marks the spot.

Mya Cero City Veinti Of Uno Taos Cero That section has always struck me as a bit different from the rest, almost like it was the last part he put together. That's not to say it's "the end", but maybe the last bit he constructed? Mya: not a Greek god when spelled that way Veinti: not a Spanish number when spelled that way City Of Taos bookended by Cero. It's just a particularly odd section of the keys. Why Mya and not Maia? Why Veinti and not Veinte? Why the 'Cero's so close together? Thoughts?

There once was a puzzler named Dolos. Who tortured me whence from his tholos. The twisting and turning. Brain and soul burning. Feels like I've been kicked in the bolos.

Interpretations of the first sentence? With 'and then retry', implementations of the first sentence, implying what doesn't work now may work later? Other?

Amusez-vous.

When I asked if we forget why once or more than once, you answered 'several'. To fulfil that, should I interpret 'forget why' one way, or more than one way?